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spoor
gowerboy
5/14/2008 2:16 am
in the last corner
intimate
like the soul
hidden
but not hiding
an animal desire
more terrible
than loss


Spitfire71
5526 posts

5/14/2008 3:06 am

what a gem you are
sparkling brightly
nioce post

thanks for reading and as per Dave Allen "May your God go with you"

Whatsherface
2044 posts 

5/14/2008 3:16 am

Lost your Marmite jar again, mate?

MM actually mentioned you when we were in Singers and talking about the pros and cons of Marmite, Vegemite and Bovril.

In the immortal words from 6th Sense ... I see stupid people.

elaine67
6070 posts 

5/14/2008 3:38 am

I don't get the title.

But I really like the poem.

Peace .. elaine67

MunchkinMatron2
9285 posts 

5/14/2008 4:42 am

Is this after losing at canasta, sonnyboy?

Edna Jones

(And yes, we did mention you in the same breath as Marmite, but we'd never accuse you of having Marmite breath)

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

mickey6785

5/14/2008 4:55 am



Never take life seriously. No one ever gets out alive anyway.

flamekeeper
3021 posts 

5/14/2008 4:57 am

I'm touched by this but with a sense of mystery as to what has moved me. Poetry, leaving you in most cases, to deduct through your own associations and not necessarily that of the writer.

fastcatkin
430 posts

5/14/2008 5:48 am

Humm, very deep. Are you hiding your intimate soul?

gowerboy
8509 posts

5/14/2008 7:33 am

    Quoting Spitfire71:
    what a gem you are
    sparkling brightly
    nioce post
Oh, you tease.

I remember why it's so nice to have you around again now.

gowerboy
8509 posts

5/14/2008 7:37 am

    Quoting Whatsherface:
    Lost your Marmite jar again, mate?

    MM actually mentioned you when we were in Singers and talking about the pros and cons of Marmite, Vegemite and Bovril.
Well, obviously, yer Bovril, being of the meat-based variety, simply
cannot be compared against the vegetative qualities of them others.
Now, Vegemite, while bewilderingly popular amongst yer Antipodeans,
is usually judged too smooth and bland for the discerning palate.

Marmite is king.

(I hope the conversation picked up again quickly)

gowerboy
8509 posts

5/14/2008 7:40 am

    Quoting elaine67:
    I don't get the title.

    But I really like the poem.
Spoor - the trail left by an animal.

From the Afrikaans, dontchaknow.

gowerboy
8509 posts

5/14/2008 7:43 am

    Quoting MunchkinMatron2:
    Is this after losing at canasta, sonnyboy?

    Edna Jones

    (And yes, we did mention you in the same breath as Marmite, but we'd never accuse you of having Marmite breath)
Not that there's anything wrong with Marmite breath, of course.

Have you read "When I'm An Old Woman, I Shall Wear Purple" by Jenny Joseph?

gowerboy
8509 posts

5/14/2008 7:43 am

gowerboy
8509 posts

5/14/2008 7:51 am

    Quoting flamekeeper:
    I'm touched by this but with a sense of mystery as to what has moved me. Poetry, leaving you in most cases, to deduct through your own associations and not necessarily that of the writer.
Don't worry, the writer is pretty much in the dark on this one too.

It came out of reading some poems by Miguel Hernandez. He was a poet
born not too far from here, in Orihuela. He wrote about the land and
blood and passion, often in the local dialect. He was a Republican and
disappeared in 1942, probably shot and buried in a shallow grave by
some of Franco's boys.

Reading poetry in another language is difficult, but sometimes that
further remove leaves you open to even stronger impressions than usual (if that makes any sense).

gowerboy
8509 posts

5/14/2008 7:51 am

    Quoting fastcatkin:
    Humm, very deep. Are you hiding your intimate soul?
Aren't we all?

MunchkinMatron2
9285 posts 

5/14/2008 8:29 am

    Quoting gowerboy:
    Not that there's anything wrong with Marmite breath, of course.

    Have you read "When I'm An Old Woman, I Shall Wear Purple" by Jenny Joseph?
I have, indeed. WHF, though, admitted to wearing purple during her younger Goth days.

I already gobble up samples in shops--last time it happened was at the Maxim's counter at Matsusakaya while we were in Tokyo a few years back. They were giving out free chocolates, so of course I had to grab as many as I could. Here's hoping they've forgotten what I look like by now.

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

fastcatkin
430 posts

5/14/2008 9:44 am

Of course we are...at least until the right person comes along to share it with.... have you found yours yet?

gowerboy
8509 posts

5/14/2008 11:28 am

    Quoting MunchkinMatron2:
    I have, indeed. WHF, though, admitted to wearing purple during her younger Goth days.

    I already gobble up samples in shops--last time it happened was at the Maxim's counter at Matsusakaya while we were in Tokyo a few years back. They were giving out free chocolates, so of course I had to grab as many as I could. Here's hoping they've forgotten what I look like by now.
I think I saw your photo on the wall the last (and only) time I was there.

Underneath it read: Do Not Feed.

(WTF was a Goth? Oh, that's priceless...stop me laughing, she has swords...)

gowerboy
8509 posts

5/14/2008 11:34 am

    Quoting fastcatkin:
    Of course we are...at least until the right person comes along to share it with.... have you found yours yet?
No matter how close you are to someone, I think there's
always a part of you that remains separate, in the corner.

beta34
7809 posts

5/14/2008 12:04 pm

what can be more terrible than loss jealousy?

Spitfire71
5526 posts

5/14/2008 12:30 pm

    Quoting gowerboy:
    Oh, you tease.

    I remember why it's so nice to have you around again now.
why thanks

thanks for reading and as per Dave Allen "May your God go with you"

Whatsherface
2044 posts 

5/14/2008 12:58 pm

Thwaps Gower with Hakim.

Oy, I still wear purple. It is my second fave colour ... on some days my fave even. And Last I checked am still younger than you two.

And re Goth, hey, I was an art student. It is mandatory to do the Goth thing at least once. I was once also a biker chick. The only one on the team who was. Double

Stop laffin', Gower!

In the immortal words from 6th Sense ... I see stupid people.

MunchkinMatron2
9285 posts 

5/14/2008 6:16 pm

    Quoting Whatsherface:
    Thwaps Gower with Hakim.

    Oy, I still wear purple. It is my second fave colour ... on some days my fave even. And Last I checked am still younger than you two.

    And re Goth, hey, I was an art student. It is mandatory to do the Goth thing at least once. I was once also a biker chick. The only one on the team who was. Double

    Stop laffin', Gower!
Biker chick?



THAT woke me up big time ROFLMAO! I got visuals of you with tattoos wearing leather now LOL!

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

Whatsherface
2044 posts 

5/14/2008 10:11 pm

No tats but definitely lots of leather and denim. Was the only stewardess who got off the plane, changed into my gear and hopped on my best friend's bike off into the sunset. I was actually told not to "associate with such riff raff" as it would ruin the airline's image. I shall not mention which one.

Best time I had. Made some good mates. Unfortunately quite a few of them are dead now.

In the immortal words from 6th Sense ... I see stupid people.

sens_4_always
673 posts 

5/15/2008 12:08 am

Are you trying to confuse me on purpose?

LOL...

thanks for the welcome back

Sensy

between the stars,
beyond the planet mars,
there Sens will be

flatlander2007
1210 posts 

5/15/2008 3:25 am

And of course 'spoor' is Dutch, if you translate it, it just means track or trail. It can also mean a track, rail, spur. End of my Dutch lesson. Great poem again!!

Sir_T
4303 posts

5/15/2008 6:23 am

Hidden but not hiding. Is the animal hunter or prey?

Enjoy the ride. All you take with you when you leave is the experience.

gowerboy
8509 posts

5/15/2008 8:02 am

    Quoting beta34:
    what can be more terrible than loss jealousy?
That's one possibility.

What I had in mind was a feeling so overwhelming
that it was even more powerful than the sense of
loss you feel when you lose something or someone
so close to you it feels like an amputation.

More or less.

gowerboy
8509 posts

5/15/2008 8:02 am

You're very welcome

gowerboy
8509 posts

5/15/2008 8:04 am

    Quoting Whatsherface:
    Thwaps Gower with Hakim.

    Oy, I still wear purple. It is my second fave colour ... on some days my fave even. And Last I checked am still younger than you two.

    And re Goth, hey, I was an art student. It is mandatory to do the Goth thing at least once. I was once also a biker chick. The only one on the team who was. Double

    Stop laffin', Gower!
I hope that thwap was with the flat of the blade.

Art student, goth, biker chick...what team was this?

*bites knuckles as tears course freely down face*

gowerboy
8509 posts

5/15/2008 8:06 am

    Quoting MunchkinMatron2:
    Biker chick?



    THAT woke me up big time ROFLMAO! I got visuals of you with tattoos wearing leather now LOL!
I had the same visuals.

But perhaps
for different reasons.

perhaps

gowerboy
8509 posts

5/15/2008 8:07 am

    Quoting Whatsherface:
    No tats but definitely lots of leather and denim. Was the only stewardess who got off the plane, changed into my gear and hopped on my best friend's bike off into the sunset. I was actually told not to "associate with such riff raff" as it would ruin the airline's image. I shall not mention which one.

    Best time I had. Made some good mates. Unfortunately quite a few of them are dead now.
I didn't know stewardesses led such short lives.

Must be all the altitude.

gowerboy
8509 posts

5/15/2008 8:07 am

    Quoting sens_4_always:
    Are you trying to confuse me on purpose?

    LOL...

    thanks for the welcome back

    Sensy
As always!

How are ya, sensy?

gowerboy
8509 posts

5/15/2008 8:11 am

    Quoting flatlander2007:
    And of course 'spoor' is Dutch, if you translate it, it just means track or trail. It can also mean a track, rail, spur. End of my Dutch lesson. Great poem again!!
My etymological dictionary (try saying that when you're drunk)
says that the word comes from the Afrikaans. But that's probably
because we don't want to admit to having borrowed anything directly
from the Dutch.

Stop me if I'm Boering you.

(I kill me)

gowerboy
8509 posts

5/15/2008 8:16 am

    Quoting Sir_T:
    Hidden but not hiding. Is the animal hunter or prey?
It's more of an animal desire. One that is buried in your
subconscious (hidden), rather than one you are trying to
suppress (hiding).

In that sense we are all prey to subconscious desires.

beta34
7809 posts

5/15/2008 8:24 am

    Quoting gowerboy:
    That's one possibility.

    What I had in mind was a feeling so overwhelming
    that it was even more powerful than the sense of
    loss you feel when you lose something or someone
    so close to you it feels like an amputation.

    More or less.
how good is your Spanish? Would it help you understanding Portuguese? There is a song of Chico Buarque (Pedaco de Mim = Piece of Myself (?)), with a great lyric talking about the pain of separation. It describes this pain in so vivid ways, it hurts. In a certain moment it says that the feeling of longing is like feeling pain at an amputated member. Your answer made me remember that. You find the song in youtube and the lyrics in Internet ... I don't know a good translation for that and my English sucks

Whatsherface
2044 posts 

5/15/2008 8:25 am

Oy, you two! Keep that up and I will be thwapping you not with the flat of Hakim's blade.

Team Up-Themselves Stewardesses. Brand products togging, insipid conversation spouting, superficial values lowering bunch I had the misfortune of being teamed with. The fact that my best friend was a biker who used to come fetch me after my flights really rankled and they kept lecturing me about not fitting in with "The Team". *Roll eyes*

Tears will not save you, Gower.

In the immortal words from 6th Sense ... I see stupid people.

debutanteBaltimr
11919 posts 

5/15/2008 9:03 am

I'm going on strike for your stolen ball to be re-attached. I may be absent for a while.

gowerboy
8509 posts

5/15/2008 9:27 am

    Quoting beta34:
    how good is your Spanish? Would it help you understanding Portuguese? There is a song of Chico Buarque (Pedaco de Mim = Piece of Myself (?)), with a great lyric talking about the pain of separation. It describes this pain in so vivid ways, it hurts. In a certain moment it says that the feeling of longing is like feeling pain at an amputated member. Your answer made me remember that. You find the song in youtube and the lyrics in Internet ... I don't know a good translation for that and my English sucks
Your English most certainly does not suck.

The lyrics are a little tricky in places, but I get the gist.
Exile is like losing a piece of yourself. Seems the man had to
leave Brazil for a while because of problems with the regime
at the time.

And then I found a translation at gatochy blogspot

Oh, piece of me
Oh, half torn away from me
Take your gaze with you
For missing you is the worst torment
It's worse than oblivion
It's worse than becoming crippled

Oh, piece of me
Oh, half exiled from me
Take your signs with you
For missing you hurts like a boat
That slowly completes an arc
And avoids coming ashore

Oh, piece of me
Oh, half torn away from me
Take your shadow with you
For missing you is the reverse of giving birth
Missing you is tidying up the bedroom
Of the son who has died

Oh, piece of me
Oh, half amputed from me
Take what there is left of you
For missing you is a throbbing pain
It's like being stung
In the part that I have lost

Oh, piece of me
Oh, adored half of me
Take my eyes away
For missing you is the worst of punishments
And I don't want to carry with me
The shroud of love
Goodbye

gowerboy
8509 posts

5/15/2008 9:30 am

    Quoting Whatsherface:
    Oy, you two! Keep that up and I will be thwapping you not with the flat of Hakim's blade.

    Team Up-Themselves Stewardesses. Brand products togging, insipid conversation spouting, superficial values lowering bunch I had the misfortune of being teamed with. The fact that my best friend was a biker who used to come fetch me after my flights really rankled and they kept lecturing me about not fitting in with "The Team". *Roll eyes*

    Tears will not save you, Gower.
I get the feeling nothing will ever save me from:

SuperBikerGothStewardessGirl!

Where's the cape? I want to go whoosh!

gowerboy
8509 posts

5/15/2008 9:32 am

    Quoting debutanteBaltimr:
    I'm going on strike for your stolen ball to be re-attached. I may be absent for a while.
Don't do disappearing on us dB, or I'll personally send fancy with
her balls to come and find you. And you don't want that, believe me.

(or maybe you do)

Whatsherface
2044 posts 

5/15/2008 9:38 am

Bwahahahaha ... there is no escaping the evil *cack* ... where's the mint?

How many time have I told you not to use the cape as your diaper?

In the immortal words from 6th Sense ... I see stupid people.

beta34
7809 posts

5/15/2008 9:44 am

    Quoting gowerboy:
    Your English most certainly does not suck.

    The lyrics are a little tricky in places, but I get the gist.
    Exile is like losing a piece of yourself. Seems the man had to
    leave Brazil for a while because of problems with the regime
    at the time.

    And then I found a translation at gatochy blogspot

    Oh, piece of me
    Oh, half torn away from me
    Take your gaze with you
    For missing you is the worst torment
    It's worse than oblivion
    It's worse than becoming crippled

    Oh, piece of me
    Oh, half exiled from me
    Take your signs with you
    For missing you hurts like a boat
    That slowly completes an arc
    And avoids coming ashore

    Oh, piece of me
    Oh, half torn away from me
    Take your shadow with you
    For missing you is the reverse of giving birth
    Missing you is tidying up the bedroom
    Of the son who has died

    Oh, piece of me
    Oh, half amputed from me
    Take what there is left of you
    For missing you is a throbbing pain
    It's like being stung
    In the part that I have lost

    Oh, piece of me
    Oh, adored half of me
    Take my eyes away
    For missing you is the worst of punishments
    And I don't want to carry with me
    The shroud of love
    Goodbye
you are amazing fast with those things the song is part of a play he made for the theater, named Opera do Malandro. It includes some other good pieces.

In this one the thing about tidying up the bedroom of a son who is already dead touches me deeply. Perhaps because I've seen how that hurts my mom ... then the boat avoiding come ashore ... sigh

gowerboy
8509 posts

5/15/2008 9:56 am

    Quoting Whatsherface:
    Bwahahahaha ... there is no escaping the evil *cack* ... where's the mint?

    How many time have I told you not to use the cape as your diaper?
Sorry about that, but I recently confronted MakesYouCackYourPantsMan and well...the inevitable happened.

This superheroing business isn't all it's cacked...I mean, cracked up to be.

*sigh*

gowerboy
8509 posts

5/15/2008 10:03 am

    Quoting beta34:
    you are amazing fast with those things the song is part of a play he made for the theater, named Opera do Malandro. It includes some other good pieces.

    In this one the thing about tidying up the bedroom of a son who is already dead touches me deeply. Perhaps because I've seen how that hurts my mom ... then the boat avoiding come ashore ... sigh
You just gotta know how to google right, baby.

That line got to me too. It sideswipes you.
The first part about tidying a bedroom seems
a little ridiculous and then comes the hammer blow.

Sorry to hear that your mother has had to experience
something like this, and, of course, you.

flatlander2007
1210 posts 

5/15/2008 11:32 pm

    Quoting gowerboy:
    My etymological dictionary (try saying that when you're drunk)
    says that the word comes from the Afrikaans. But that's probably
    because we don't want to admit to having borrowed anything directly
    from the Dutch.

    Stop me if I'm Boering you.

    (I kill me)
The Afrikaner were Dutch. They settled there during the period the Dutch East India Company sailed the oceans. Words like 'wildebeest', 'apartheid' are originally Dutch -- I'm not sure if that's something to be proud of. A 'boer', btw, is the Dutch word for farmer. The supporters of the soccer team here in Eindhoven (PSV) are proud of their provincial character....so they sing a song: 'boeren, boeren, boeren.' The second, third and etc verses are the same.....so is the chorus....and the bridge........yes we've got a way with words!!!

gowerboy
8509 posts

5/16/2008 5:17 am

    Quoting flatlander2007:
    The Afrikaner were Dutch. They settled there during the period the Dutch East India Company sailed the oceans. Words like 'wildebeest', 'apartheid' are originally Dutch -- I'm not sure if that's something to be proud of. A 'boer', btw, is the Dutch word for farmer. The supporters of the soccer team here in Eindhoven (PSV) are proud of their provincial character....so they sing a song: 'boeren, boeren, boeren.' The second, third and etc verses are the same.....so is the chorus....and the bridge........yes we've got a way with words!!!
Yeah. It's interesting how the provenance of these words in English is
always attributed to Afrikaans rather than Dutch. I think it's because
we assimilated the words at around the time of the Boer War, beginning
of the 20th century, directly from the Boers themselves.

Aardvark is a good word.

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