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gowerboy
11/2/2009 2:58 pm
two of the boys were talking
to two Brazilian girls
at the far end of the bar
I lit a cigarette
stumbled over and
was reluctantly introduced

she was beautiful (I thought)
so I told her I loved her
she just laughed and said
if I loved her I’d marry her
so I asked her to marry me
and she kissed me and said yes

we went back to her place
all her stuff was in boxes
as she crumbled hash
in the palm of her hand
she told me she was going
back to Brazil in three days

I was getting dizzy
on rum and smoke
as she said something
about escaping from
a violent psychotic
ex boyfriend

fuck this I thought
and pulled her over
stripping off her top
with one hand and
reaching up under her skirt
with the other

she grabbed me
by the throat
and squeezed
(quite hard)
her gaze
suddenly clear

if we do this
we get married
right? she said
(in Portuguese
but I got the gist
at least)

I nodded as best I could
and we fucked
and it was good
and she slept
and I left
(I’ve never been married yet)


thebunnyreturns
927 posts 

11/2/2009 3:50 pm

lol have a word with Ric... he would know what to do... NOT.

oldharleylover
283 posts

11/2/2009 4:52 pm

4ever_fun
2892 posts 

11/2/2009 4:54 pm

G-man....you were not fricken kiddin when you said you have had some hard blows....erm....this was quite revealing to say the least.

Michelle

driverdan
21061 posts 

11/2/2009 7:29 pm

ditto!!

pigflu
312 posts 

11/2/2009 9:01 pm

Sex and drugs no rock and roll, feck wish i hadn't typed that now ill be singing Ian Dury songs all day now, hit me with your rhythm stick, hit meeeeeeeee.

You lucky barsted, you woke up and left, happened to me(only a spanish bird)and i woke up with her in the morning, the rest is in the divorce courts!!!!

And i had to use two hands to get her shirt off!!

_Poetdancer_
5763 posts 

11/2/2009 9:13 pm

That's what happens when you have to much smokes

It's nice to be insane when No one is watching

_Poetdancer_
5763 posts 

11/2/2009 9:14 pm

too too too

It's nice to be insane when No one is watching

bellezia
27146 posts 

11/3/2009 12:51 am

mao

the most beautiful view
is the one I share with you

CaptainPrincess
3959 posts 

11/3/2009 1:08 am

if you had stuck around, this could have doubled as your vows!

hey, if we're both still available in 10 years, do you want to get hitched?
basically, all I need is someone to kill spiders for me, laugh at my horrible jokes, and accept that I'm a terrible cook.

pretty sweet deal, no? an offer you can't refuse?

Peace.Love.Renegades.**N*M*N**CaptainPrincess

WynneWillows

11/3/2009 2:01 am

(nods)

The choices you make stay with you. If you must choose, choose wisely.

dana654
(Dana D)
859 posts 

11/3/2009 4:12 am

Moral of the story: Never fall asleep after a good fuck.

*wonders why this post got away with ff censor

“My pipe is out, my glass is dry; My fire is almost ashes too.”

BreakingOphelia
636 posts 

11/3/2009 5:51 am

*covers her eyes*... peeks through her fingers

I'm not locked in here with you, you're locked in here with me!
Typos are human - perfection isn't

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/3/2009 9:48 am

    Quoting thebunnyreturns:
    lol have a word with Ric... he would know what to do... NOT.
He'd have ended up marrying her...once upon a time...

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/3/2009 9:50 am

Does that mean you identify with the story in any way?

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/3/2009 9:52 am

    Quoting 4ever_fun:
    G-man....you were not fricken kiddin when you said you have had some hard blows....erm....this was quite revealing to say the least.
Not everything I write is autobiographical!

Okay, well, maybe it's based loosely on reality...let's call it research.

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/3/2009 9:53 am

Please see my question to Mark, above.

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/3/2009 9:58 am

    Quoting pigflu:
    Sex and drugs no rock and roll, feck wish i hadn't typed that now ill be singing Ian Dury songs all day now, hit me with your rhythm stick, hit meeeeeeeee.

    You lucky barsted, you woke up and left, happened to me(only a spanish bird)and i woke up with her in the morning, the rest is in the divorce courts!!!!

    And i had to use two hands to get her shirt off!!
The one hand thing may have been poetic licence.

Don't try this at home, kids.

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/3/2009 10:04 am

    Quoting _Poetdancer_:
    That's what happens when you have to much smokes
Not every time, surely?

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/3/2009 10:05 am

or three three three

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/3/2009 10:06 am

Nah, he wasn't there.

But I think I saw Chiang Kai-shek skulking in the hallway as I left.

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/3/2009 10:09 am

    Quoting CaptainPrincess:
    if you had stuck around, this could have doubled as your vows!

    hey, if we're both still available in 10 years, do you want to get hitched?
    basically, all I need is someone to kill spiders for me, laugh at my horrible jokes, and accept that I'm a terrible cook.

    pretty sweet deal, no? an offer you can't refuse?
Learn to cook in the next ten years and I'll think about it.

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/3/2009 10:10 am

The blind man in the corner thought that was a wink.

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/3/2009 10:14 am

    Quoting dana654:
    Moral of the story: Never fall asleep after a good fuck.

    *wonders why this post got away with ff censor
You can fall asleep. The trick is to wake up first.

I thought maybe the censor let people swear on their own blog, but your comment just put paid to that theory....

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/3/2009 10:22 am

Nothing to see here. Move along.

_Poetdancer_
5763 posts 

11/3/2009 11:38 am

Does that mean that goldball members have free reign of the lingo they use?

Just thinking out loud ... often gets me into trouble


It's nice to be insane when No one is watching

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/3/2009 12:06 pm

    Quoting _Poetdancer_:
    Does that mean that goldball members have free reign of the lingo they use?

    Just thinking out loud ... often gets me into trouble

Do my balls look gold to you?

thebunnyreturns
927 posts 

11/3/2009 4:27 pm

    Quoting gowerboy:
    He'd have ended up marrying her...once upon a time...
This is so true..... that it is not funny.

gorgeous_asian2
7263 posts 

11/3/2009 5:01 pm

now i know why.

"Running In Heels..."

oldharleylover
283 posts

11/3/2009 6:07 pm

    Quoting gowerboy:
    Does that mean you identify with the story in any way?


in a wee little way!

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/4/2009 2:45 am

According to a certain family tree, he's married a few times through the generations.

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/4/2009 2:46 am

Part of the story is not the whole story, especially not in a poem.

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/4/2009 2:47 am

So she wasn't Brazilian, then?

4ever_fun
2892 posts 

11/4/2009 9:35 am

    Quoting gowerboy:
    Not everything I write is autobiographical!

    Okay, well, maybe it's based loosely on reality...let's call it research.
oh so this is fantasy!? This is a wish list of sorts, geez mislead much!!!???

Michelle

viola1107
918 posts 

11/4/2009 10:43 am

kiss and tell! you've just fallen off your steed and tarnished your armour, pancho.

i'm in a dilemma here... have you got anything left to shed?

you may reward me with a kiss for winning the game.

"when much is taken, something is returned." terry pratchett

thebunnyreturns
927 posts 

11/4/2009 3:46 pm

    Quoting gowerboy:
    According to a certain family tree, he's married a few times through the generations.
Yes this is true... but did you notice... you were once the son of
him toooooooooo

gorgeous_asian2
7263 posts 

11/4/2009 5:14 pm

    Quoting gowerboy:
    Part of the story is not the whole story, especially not in a poem.
yeah? but part of the story tells the whole story. especially in a poem.

"Running In Heels..."

explourer
4672 posts 

11/5/2009 12:41 am

(I've never been married yet)....hahahaha...because you left immediately after the F**kin' Ohhhhh you messed up on that chance...

It is the truth in man that sets him free..

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/5/2009 3:05 am

    Quoting 4ever_fun:
    oh so this is fantasy!? This is a wish list of sorts, geez mislead much!!!???
Any piece of writing is partial, or misleading if you like. You can read whatever you like into it. Neither does all writing spring from desire or fantasy. Sometimes there are just stories.

Everyone's obsessed with "truth".

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/5/2009 3:06 am

    Quoting viola1107:
    kiss and tell! you've just fallen off your steed and tarnished your armour, pancho.

    i'm in a dilemma here... have you got anything left to shed?

    you may reward me with a kiss for winning the game.
Pancho had no armour and rode a donkey.

You can't win the game if you never show your hand.

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/5/2009 3:09 am

    Quoting thebunnyreturns:
    Yes this is true... but did you notice... you were once the son of
    him toooooooooo
And his father, apparently.

Buddhist family trees are so complicated.

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/5/2009 3:12 am

    Quoting gorgeous_asian2:
    yeah? but part of the story tells the whole story. especially in a poem.
So where do all the other poems stand in relation to this one? It's only this one that tells the whole story? All the funny, romantic, sad, happy, nonsense pieces can be safely ignored?

Readers take what they want from a text.

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/5/2009 3:13 am

    Quoting explourer:
    (I've never been married yet)....hahahaha...because you left immediately after the F**kin' Ohhhhh you messed up on that chance...
She was beautiful, but she was crazy.

Messing up is relative.

melmac
2805 posts 

11/5/2009 6:32 am

well thats why its call a love story
what did the folks here expected
some financial report ?

keep it clean
have a good day bro

read between the lines there's happines inside

viola1107
918 posts 

11/5/2009 9:21 am

    Quoting gowerboy:
    Pancho had no armour and rode a donkey.

    You can't win the game if you never show your hand.
i must've lancelot in mind when i wrote that.

sore loser. i showed you my teeth... doesn't that count?

"when much is taken, something is returned." terry pratchett

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/5/2009 9:25 am

    Quoting melmac:
    well thats why its call a love story
    what did the folks here expected
    some financial report ?

    keep it clean
    have a good day bro
I have to give up reading Bukowski.

Mine's clean, how's yours?

Cheers, mac.

4ever_fun
2892 posts 

11/5/2009 9:55 am

    Quoting gowerboy:
    Any piece of writing is partial, or misleading if you like. You can read whatever you like into it. Neither does all writing spring from desire or fantasy. Sometimes there are just stories.

    Everyone's obsessed with "truth".
I agree that writing is misleading; the trouble is in the perspective of the reader. Assuming absolute truth in anything written is naive.

I am obsessed with discovering truth, which has been a lifelong search by the way. So at the very least I can now chalk this post up on the side of "fanciful story". Yes, it is just one more place I have searched and came up empty.

Here is a truth for you, the post made me laugh (in a good way mind you). Which is almost as good as discovering truth.

Michelle

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/5/2009 10:21 am

    Quoting viola1107:
    i must've lancelot in mind when i wrote that.

    sore loser. i showed you my teeth... doesn't that count?
Of course the teeth count...that's why I'm sore.

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/5/2009 10:33 am

    Quoting 4ever_fun:
    I agree that writing is misleading; the trouble is in the perspective of the reader. Assuming absolute truth in anything written is naive.

    I am obsessed with discovering truth, which has been a lifelong search by the way. So at the very least I can now chalk this post up on the side of "fanciful story". Yes, it is just one more place I have searched and came up empty.

    Here is a truth for you, the post made me laugh (in a good way mind you). Which is almost as good as discovering truth.
I'm not sure if this is one of the best places to look for truth.

I'm not even sure that truth exists.

This fanciful story is made up of more fact than fancy...but facts sometimes hold less truth than fantasy. Throughout history people have told stories in order to explain and understand the world around them. Folk stories, fairy stories, may not be true in the factual sense of the word, but they do contain what were considered to be truths about the world.

Red Riding Hood - watch out for werewolves.
Sleeping Beauty - lock up your daughters when they start to bleed
Snow White/Hansel and Gretel/Any story involving a step-mother - [insert complicated theory of heredity and blood feuds here]

And other stories are told simply to make us laugh.

And they're the best.

gorgeous_asian2
7263 posts 

11/5/2009 5:36 pm

    Quoting gowerboy:
    So where do all the other poems stand in relation to this one? It's only this one that tells the whole story? All the funny, romantic, sad, happy, nonsense pieces can be safely ignored?

    Readers take what they want from a text.
"Readers take what they want from a text."
true, but im just referring to this particular poem. and btw, who would ignore all those thought provoking poems of urs? i, myself always left mesmerized reading it but then again, left with derailed brain for lack of something relevant to say.

"Running In Heels..."

CaptainPrincess
3959 posts 

11/6/2009 1:38 am

    Quoting gowerboy:
    Learn to cook in the next ten years and I'll think about it.
or you could do the cooking...
there's an option for you.

I can see this is going to be a perfect marriage already...

Peace.Love.Renegades.**N*M*N**CaptainPrincess

explourer
4672 posts 

11/6/2009 3:13 am

    Quoting gowerboy:
    She was beautiful, but she was crazy.

    Messing up is relative.
In that case,you're lucky to get away...

"Messing up is relative" just stay positive..

It is the truth in man that sets him free..

sencille1
271 posts 

11/6/2009 5:57 am

Hehehe, geez

Good for whomever!At least i saw something to suggest there was a happy ending for the both of them.

What irony, i mean bad luck, now for whom in this case who cares to know.

justmeddy
834 posts 

11/6/2009 7:06 am

Some things are best when they stay a vague memory.

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/6/2009 8:26 am

    Quoting gorgeous_asian2:
    "Readers take what they want from a text."
    true, but im just referring to this particular poem. and btw, who would ignore all those thought provoking poems of urs? i, myself always left mesmerized reading it but then again, left with derailed brain for lack of something relevant to say.
Sorry for derailing your brain

Does it hurt?

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/6/2009 8:26 am

    Quoting CaptainPrincess:
    or you could do the cooking...
    there's an option for you.

    I can see this is going to be a perfect marriage already...
And what would you do, little miss perfect housewife?

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/6/2009 8:28 am

    Quoting explourer:
    In that case,you're lucky to get away...

    "Messing up is relative" just stay positive..
Craziness is just so darn attractive sometimes.....

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/6/2009 8:29 am

    Quoting sencille1:
    Hehehe, geez

    Good for whomever!At least i saw something to suggest there was a happy ending for the both of them.

    What irony, i mean bad luck, now for whom in this case who cares to know.
Now here there was neither irony or bad luck.

Unless you mean she had the bad luck to meet me?

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/6/2009 8:30 am

    Quoting justmeddy:
    Some things are best when they stay a vague memory.
It is a vague memory.

The rest is imagination.

debutanteBaltimr
15995 posts 

11/6/2009 12:38 pm

Portugal is a nice place to visit. I hear that all drugs are legal there...including viagra.

sencille1
271 posts 

11/6/2009 1:48 pm

Oh well that depends really, she was to go brazil in 3 days to escape from some psycho boyfi but if you did marry as u promised after furk-ng her then she would be lucky enough to stay n escape her boyfi.

Now since you actually furrr-k her then never married her yet ironically you loved her at first glance and had promised to wed her, it was Irony .Being literally furk-d out of a potential marriage n then having to go back to brazil or staying with psycho indeed it was her bad luck to meet you.

Darn,did i make sense, neva mind--neither did the article, he he:

elaine67
6449 posts 

11/7/2009 5:03 am

This one really bothers me on so many levels.

But maybe it's supposed to.

Peace .. elaine67

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/7/2009 7:20 am

    Quoting elaine67:
    This one really bothers me on so many levels.

    But maybe it's supposed to.
I'll take that as a compliment.

viola1107
918 posts 

11/7/2009 3:32 pm

    Quoting gowerboy:
    Of course the teeth count...that's why I'm sore.
can we please forget about that now... i told you i thought they were still firmly clamped on leather.

"when much is taken, something is returned." terry pratchett

CaptainPrincess
3959 posts 

11/8/2009 1:09 am

    Quoting gowerboy:
    And what would you do, little miss perfect housewife?
well, this reminded me of something I had read about wives in the 50's....(the brainless ones...) let me find it...wait, hang on...ah, here it is

Have dinner ready. Plan ahead, even the night before, to have a delicious meal, on time. This is a way of letting him know that you have been thinking about him and are concerned about his needs. Most men are hungry when they come home and the prospect of a good meal are part of the warm welcome needed.

Prepare yourself. Take 15 minutes to rest so that you'll be refreshed when he arrives. Touch up your makeup, put a ribbon in your hair and be fresh-looking. He has just been with a lot of work-weary people. Be a little gay and a little more interesting. His boring day may need a lift.

Clear away the clutter. Make one last trip through the main part of the home just before your husband arrives, gather up schoolbooks, toys, paper, etc. Then run a dust cloth over the tables. Your husband will feel he has reached a haven of rest and order, and it will give you a lift, too.

Prepare the children. Take a few minutes to wash the children's hands and faces (if they are small), comb their hair, and if necessary change their clothes. They are little treasures and he would like to see them playing the part.

Minimize all noise. At the time of his arrival, eliminate all noise of the washer, dryer, dishwasher, or vacuum. Try to encourage the children to be quiet. Be happy to see him. Greet him with a warm smile and be glad he is home.

Some don'ts: Don't greet him with problems or complaints. Don't complain if he is late for dinner. Count this as minor compared with what he might have gone through that day. Make him comfortable. Have him lean back in a comfortable chair or suggest he lie down in the bedroom. Have a cool or warm drink ready for him. Arrange his pillow and offer to take off his shoes. Speak in a low, soft, soothing and pleasant voice. Allow him to relax and unwind.

Listen to him. You may have a dozen things to tell him, but the moment of his arrival is not the time. Let him talk first.

Make the evening his. Never complain if he does not take you out to dinner or to other places of entertainment. Instead, try to understand his world of strain and pressure, his need to be home and relax.

The Goal: Try to make your home a place of peace and order where your husband can renew himself in body and spirit


I look good in ribbon...
and only ribbon *nudge nudge, wink wink*...what else could a husband ask for?
I'll let you pick one from the list. Anything else, and we might need a good divorce lawyer.

Peace.Love.Renegades.**N*M*N**CaptainPrincess

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/8/2009 8:11 am

    Quoting debutanteBaltimr:
    Portugal is a nice place to visit. I hear that all drugs are legal there...including viagra.
Yup.

But it ain't free.

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/8/2009 8:13 am

    Quoting sencille1:
    Oh well that depends really, she was to go brazil in 3 days to escape from some psycho boyfi but if you did marry as u promised after furk-ng her then she would be lucky enough to stay n escape her boyfi.

    Now since you actually furrr-k her then never married her yet ironically you loved her at first glance and had promised to wed her, it was Irony .Being literally furk-d out of a potential marriage n then having to go back to brazil or staying with psycho indeed it was her bad luck to meet you.

    Darn,did i make sense, neva mind--neither did the article, he he:
I think we'll call it a draw

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/8/2009 8:16 am

    Quoting viola1107:
    can we please forget about that now... i told you i thought they were still firmly clamped on leather.
I should obviously start using skin cream if you thought my skin was leather.

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/8/2009 8:24 am

    Quoting CaptainPrincess:
    well, this reminded me of something I had read about wives in the 50's....(the brainless ones...) let me find it...wait, hang on...ah, here it is

    Have dinner ready. Plan ahead, even the night before, to have a delicious meal, on time. This is a way of letting him know that you have been thinking about him and are concerned about his needs. Most men are hungry when they come home and the prospect of a good meal are part of the warm welcome needed.

    Prepare yourself. Take 15 minutes to rest so that you'll be refreshed when he arrives. Touch up your makeup, put a ribbon in your hair and be fresh-looking. He has just been with a lot of work-weary people. Be a little gay and a little more interesting. His boring day may need a lift.

    Clear away the clutter. Make one last trip through the main part of the home just before your husband arrives, gather up schoolbooks, toys, paper, etc. Then run a dust cloth over the tables. Your husband will feel he has reached a haven of rest and order, and it will give you a lift, too.

    Prepare the children. Take a few minutes to wash the children's hands and faces (if they are small), comb their hair, and if necessary change their clothes. They are little treasures and he would like to see them playing the part.

    Minimize all noise. At the time of his arrival, eliminate all noise of the washer, dryer, dishwasher, or vacuum. Try to encourage the children to be quiet. Be happy to see him. Greet him with a warm smile and be glad he is home.

    Some don'ts: Don't greet him with problems or complaints. Don't complain if he is late for dinner. Count this as minor compared with what he might have gone through that day. Make him comfortable. Have him lean back in a comfortable chair or suggest he lie down in the bedroom. Have a cool or warm drink ready for him. Arrange his pillow and offer to take off his shoes. Speak in a low, soft, soothing and pleasant voice. Allow him to relax and unwind.

    Listen to him. You may have a dozen things to tell him, but the moment of his arrival is not the time. Let him talk first.

    Make the evening his. Never complain if he does not take you out to dinner or to other places of entertainment. Instead, try to understand his world of strain and pressure, his need to be home and relax.

    The Goal: Try to make your home a place of peace and order where your husband can renew himself in body and spirit


    I look good in ribbon...
    and only ribbon *nudge nudge, wink wink*...what else could a husband ask for?
    I'll let you pick one from the list. Anything else, and we might need a good divorce lawyer.
I choose.....have dinner ready!

Start learning to cook, ribbongirl.

lovetolove61
27 posts 

11/8/2009 1:16 pm

    Quoting _Poetdancer_:
    Does that mean that goldball members have free reign of the lingo they use?

    Just thinking out loud ... often gets me into trouble

Funny - I was thinking the same thing

sencille1
271 posts 

11/9/2009 12:53 am

Hmmm, a draw? WTH,it is a draw!

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/9/2009 4:04 am

As I commented to Poetdancer, I'm not in possession of any golden balls.

The censorship on ff seems random. At times I've gotten away with posts like this, but at others they've been denied for the most inoffensive remarks.

Anyway, thanks for visiting.

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/9/2009 4:05 am

    Quoting sencille1:
    Hmmm, a draw? WTH,it is a draw!
Tea and medals all round!

4ever_fun
2892 posts 

11/9/2009 1:05 pm

    Quoting gowerboy:
    I'm not sure if this is one of the best places to look for truth.

    I'm not even sure that truth exists.

    This fanciful story is made up of more fact than fancy...but facts sometimes hold less truth than fantasy. Throughout history people have told stories in order to explain and understand the world around them. Folk stories, fairy stories, may not be true in the factual sense of the word, but they do contain what were considered to be truths about the world.

    Red Riding Hood - watch out for werewolves.
    Sleeping Beauty - lock up your daughters when they start to bleed
    Snow White/Hansel and Gretel/Any story involving a step-mother - [insert complicated theory of heredity and blood feuds here]

    And other stories are told simply to make us laugh.

    And they're the best.
It is interesting that as a society we learn truths through the telling of stories filled with symbolism. What is, on many levels, quite sickening is that the stories have been adapted to be shared with children. I doubt that young ones reading "Red Riding Hood" could care less or even understand that 'Red' was finally in her cycle, but that is the symbolism.

Now as I go back to the post, which in every comment I have posted have been tongue in cheek, I wonder to the facts, the fancy, the truth or lack of and the fantasy if there be any. The one truth I can see in this blog, if I can be allowed to call it as such, is that 'woman will give sex for love and stability, men will promise stability and love for sex'.

Michelle

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/10/2009 4:35 am

    Quoting 4ever_fun:
    It is interesting that as a society we learn truths through the telling of stories filled with symbolism. What is, on many levels, quite sickening is that the stories have been adapted to be shared with children. I doubt that young ones reading "Red Riding Hood" could care less or even understand that 'Red' was finally in her cycle, but that is the symbolism.

    Now as I go back to the post, which in every comment I have posted have been tongue in cheek, I wonder to the facts, the fancy, the truth or lack of and the fantasy if there be any. The one truth I can see in this blog, if I can be allowed to call it as such, is that 'woman will give sex for love and stability, men will promise stability and love for sex'.
Symbolic storytelling is the oldest of the arts (he said without a shred of evidence to back his claim, but leaving the term "symbolic storytelling" so wide open as to fit any definition). Oral and written traditions have always been adapted to suit their audiences. I'm not quite clear on whether you are sickened by the fact that fairy stories have been adapted, or that they are shared with children.

The Grimm brothers collected and wrote down German oral tales. I don't know if you've ever read the originals, but they are brutally graphic. Hearts are cut out, eyes are pierced, children are butchered, people are driven insane...it's a real treasure trove of nightmares for any little kinder. The Victorians found all this a little gruesome, and so the stories were wiped clean of most of their gore for nursery consumption. Then Disney got in on the act, and that was it.

But the point I'm making, if point there is, is that these stories were always meant to be shared with children. They are folklore; the knowledge of the people. Children have to know that the wolf kills, about what happens when a girl becomes a woman, that the forests are dangerous, that you should lie to strangers but never to your own, that wit can overcome brawn, debts must be paid, laziness leads to failure, and that if you're lucky one day you might kill the dragon, marry the princess and get half the kingdom (the medieval version of winning the lottery...even a peasant's gotta dream...).

As far as the love/stability/sex tradeoff goes (which, like most generalisations, doesn't go too far), it seems to preclude the fact that there are men who also want love and stability, and (hush my filthy mouth) there are some promiscuous women out there, too.

4ever_fun
2892 posts 

11/10/2009 10:31 am

I have to come back to your comment later. Thank you for even taking the time to reply G~man. I am off to nurse my ill mother, but I am leaving a note to say I have some words to leave in reply to your reply, just can not do it right at this moment.

Michelle

viola1107
918 posts 

11/10/2009 11:07 am

    Quoting gowerboy:
    I should obviously start using skin cream if you thought my skin was leather.
i have some topographic surveying experience... i could lend
a hand if you need help reaching those unchartered territories.

"when much is taken, something is returned." terry pratchett

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/11/2009 10:35 am

    Quoting 4ever_fun:
    I have to come back to your comment later. Thank you for even taking the time to reply G~man. I am off to nurse my ill mother, but I am leaving a note to say I have some words to leave in reply to your reply, just can not do it right at this moment.
I'll be waiting.

Best wishes to your mother.

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/11/2009 1:09 pm

    Quoting viola1107:
    i have some topographic surveying experience... i could lend
    a hand if you need help reaching those unchartered territories.
Did you bring a compass?

explourer
4672 posts 

11/12/2009 3:11 am

    Quoting gowerboy:
    Craziness is just so darn attractive sometimes.....
That's why, it's so crazily attractive,the beauteous that escapes from it at times..

It is the truth in man that sets him free..

viola1107
918 posts 

11/15/2009 4:50 am

i have an inner theodolite... let's just feel our way in...

"when much is taken, something is returned." terry pratchett

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/17/2009 2:54 am

    Quoting explourer:
    That's why, it's so crazily attractive,the beauteous that escapes from it at times..
Escaping from the attraction is what is difficult.

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/17/2009 2:54 am

    Quoting viola1107:
    i have an inner theodolite... let's just feel our way in...
Careful of the hairline cracks.

viola1107
918 posts 

11/17/2009 10:27 am

    Quoting gowerboy:
    Careful of the hairline cracks.
i know the places where they normally propagate... shall i tell you about the stress and strain theory?

"when much is taken, something is returned." terry pratchett

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/18/2009 10:19 am

    Quoting viola1107:
    i know the places where they normally propagate... shall i tell you about the stress and strain theory?
Go on then.

viola1107
918 posts 

11/19/2009 11:07 am

(puts foot in mouth)

hmmm... ok, ok

different structural elements or bodies are designed to carry specific types of stresses ... some are meant for point loads, some for oscillating loads, some may only bear dead loads, while some may manage them all. and they strain differently under various load conditions.

do you know that a body reacts differently to the same type of load but applied on different points along its length? a pressure that barely makes an impression on one point can make the body bend and twist when employed on a more strategic point. the key is to find the weak points along the body.

assuming that you are now exerting the right amount of pressure on a weak point, a body may bear a point load quite easily but may not last long under the successive application of the same stress at perfectly-timed intervals. when you've strained it to the maximum, it folds or ruptures. sometimes, due to poor design or methodology, it fails prematurely.

if you feel that you may be playing with maximum stresses and strains, never forget to incorporate a factor of safety for your protection. better performance and less anxiety that way.

questions?

"when much is taken, something is returned." terry pratchett

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/19/2009 1:14 pm

That was a beautiful moment....moment geddit?

Ignore me. Sometimes I'm all torque.

may_be00
76 posts 

11/19/2009 7:15 pm

wow......sounds my like my love story......lol, if I had one.

The only way to get through it...is to go through it.

sandrina_aquita

11/19/2009 8:59 pm

Hai,,

sandrina_aquita

11/19/2009 11:58 pm

sandrina_aquita

11/20/2009 12:00 am

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/20/2009 8:46 am

    Quoting may_be00:
    wow......sounds my like my love story......lol, if I had one.
Now that'd be an interesting post

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/20/2009 8:47 am

Hello.

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/20/2009 8:47 am

Thanks.

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/20/2009 8:48 am

Now you're just getting carried away.

viola1107
918 posts 

11/20/2009 5:06 pm

    Quoting gowerboy:
    That was a beautiful moment....moment geddit?

    Ignore me. Sometimes I'm all torque.
i like torques... they make the most beautiful bending-moment diagrams. don't get me started on moments, please.

"when much is taken, something is returned." terry pratchett

viola1107
918 posts 

11/20/2009 5:08 pm

    Quoting gowerboy:
    Now you're just getting carried away.
haha... are you blushing???

"when much is taken, something is returned." terry pratchett

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/21/2009 5:55 am

    Quoting viola1107:
    i like torques... they make the most beautiful bending-moment diagrams. don't get me started on moments, please.
Sounds like you've started without me.

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/21/2009 5:56 am

    Quoting viola1107:
    haha... are you blushing???
I think she wants me to buy something.

I'm just not sure what it is.

vishner
7 posts 

11/21/2009 8:51 am

hey.. They are falling in love.

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/21/2009 12:40 pm

    Quoting vishner:
    hey.. They are falling in love.
Well, it is a love story.

viola1107
918 posts 

11/21/2009 3:00 pm

    Quoting gowerboy:
    Sounds like you've started without me.
just warming up... waiting for you.

insurance?

"when much is taken, something is returned." terry pratchett

nuclear2006
5 posts 

11/21/2009 8:05 pm

I once read a love-story except it went nothing like you mentioned. Oliver Barrett IV , a rich jock from a stuffy WASP family on his way to a Harvard degree and a career in law met Jenny Cavilleri , a wisecracking, working-class beauty studying music at Radcliffe. Opposites in nearly every way, Oliver and Jenny immediately attract, sharing a love that defies everything...yet will end too soon.

Love means never having to say you're sorry...

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/22/2009 5:35 am

    Quoting viola1107:
    just warming up... waiting for you.

    insurance?
don't boil over

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/22/2009 5:36 am

    Quoting nuclear2006:
    I once read a love-story except it went nothing like you mentioned. Oliver Barrett IV , a rich jock from a stuffy WASP family on his way to a Harvard degree and a career in law met Jenny Cavilleri , a wisecracking, working-class beauty studying music at Radcliffe. Opposites in nearly every way, Oliver and Jenny immediately attract, sharing a love that defies everything...yet will end too soon.

    Love means never having to say you're sorry...

There are all kinds of love stories.

Some can leave you feeling very sorry indeed.

viola1107
918 posts 

11/23/2009 10:41 am

almost there... hurry?

(nuclear must mean love story by erich segal... based on the movie of same title... the book was written to promote the movie, if i remember the article i've read about it correctly)

"when much is taken, something is returned." terry pratchett

gowerboy
12171 posts 

11/23/2009 1:46 pm

    Quoting viola1107:
    almost there... hurry?

    (nuclear must mean love story by erich segal... based on the movie of same title... the book was written to promote the movie, if i remember the article i've read about it correctly)
Would you look at that, I'm all out of cigarettes.

Erich Segal originally wrote the screenplay, and was then asked to write a novel before the film was released as part of the publicity campaign. Thanks Wikipedia!

nuclear2006
5 posts 

11/23/2009 3:39 pm

viola1107 you are absolutely right!

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