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7/22/2008 11:53 am |
Radovan Karadzic, one time leader of the Bosnian Serbs, was arrested yesterday. If you don't know why this makes me happy, then read "The Tenth Circle Of Hell: A memoir of life in the death camps of Bosnia" by Rezak Hukanovic. It describes what was carried out in the Omarska camp, the "thirst, hunger, gang rapes, exhaustion, skulls shattered, sexual organs torn out, stomachs ripped open by the soldier assassins of Radovan Karadzic." Karadzic is a poet. Sometimes I hate words. |
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7/22/2008 1:45 pm |
And this man was lecturing on alternative medicine in Belgrad while searched all over the world... My father was in a concentration camp for 3 years during the communist regime in Bulgaria. Keep love in your heart ! SL
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7/22/2008 1:56 pm |
Thank you. Just got one of the last ones off of Amazon [uk]. Not looking forward to it. ** guaranteed Goody free **
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 7/22/2008 3:18 pm |
That is a monster not a man... I am happy he was caught! "Never look back, the future is so close!" Angie
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7/22/2008 3:58 pm |
I'll never understand how someone can choose to be this cruel to other people........he is a monster
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7/22/2008 4:10 pm |
Reminds me of - Anne Frank: The Diary of a Young Girl Ya we've got to start getting more serious about doing something about this human condition called genocide! That I know. My God doesn't say to be a peace keeper he's says to be a PEACEMAKER! Later! Will read it. I suggest also Romeo Dallair "shake hands with the Devil" If you haven't read it or heard of it yet. Free Speech is for everyone or no one! My Testimony My index
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7/22/2008 4:17 pm |
And this man was lecturing on alternative medicine in Belgrad while searched all over the world... My father was in a concentration camp for 3 years during the communist regime in Bulgaria. I still think Milosevic got off lightly. The bastard. I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.
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7/22/2008 4:29 pm |
Art isn't always pretty. Such is life.
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7/22/2008 4:50 pm |
I'm sorry to admit I had to look up who this Radovan Karadzic is. My goodness, I almost wish I hadn't. To say he's not nice in an understatement of epic proportions. But I did find this: The most recent came this spring, when soldiers stormed Karadzic's family home in Pale, southeast of Sarajevo. At the time his wife Ljiljana said the troops even searched the sewage tank in their efforts to uncover the fugitive. From what I've read since your post, I sorta wish they HAD found him in that sewage tank. Would have been a bit of poetic justice. Cheers! 
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 7/22/2008 7:54 pm |
At the end of this I want to know who has been protecting him for so long. No, not the people he was actually with, the people behind it all. "Greater Serbia". Pah! It would make me ashamed to be Serbian if he turns on the self-pity. I presume we are in for a long and terribly well carried out trial, with fudged outcomes and no conclusion. See first line again...... Peter
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7/22/2008 10:44 pm |
Thanks for the tip GB...i will definately read this book.Mike was in Bosnia in the war and my daughters babysitter was an older Croatian..this will make interesting reading...its for people like this i hope there is a hell..take care...Lydia Remember..live each day as it comes..it may be your last!!!xx " NAMASTE"
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7/23/2008 12:02 am |
He is so evil. How can he do that to humans and not being killed with his conscience? From my heart to yours, Love and Light! 
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7/23/2008 1:23 am |
Sadly though, he could not have done these deeds alone. Where are his sheep...and what to do with them? Will put the book on my "to read" list, and will only do so in summer. Sounds like the type of book one would want loads of daylight for.
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7/23/2008 1:27 am |
What I find most disturbing is that according to a news report (CBC,Canada), the Serbian govt has known for the past 13 years exactly where he was. Now that Serbia wants to join the EU, he is arrested. Ironic? Wishing you happiness Misty
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7/23/2008 3:17 am |
And this man was lecturing on alternative medicine in Belgrad while searched all over the world... My father was in a concentration camp for 3 years during the communist regime in Bulgaria. Sorry your father had to go through that. Was he political, or just another unfortunate caught up in the mass detentions of "Titoists"? I don't mean to pry, I'm just interested.
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7/23/2008 3:21 am |
Thank you. Just got one of the last ones off of Amazon [uk]. Not looking forward to it.
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7/23/2008 3:23 am |
That is a monster not a man... I am happy he was caught!
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7/23/2008 3:24 am |
I'll never understand how someone can choose to be this cruel to other people........he is a monster They do.
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7/23/2008 3:38 am |
Reminds me of - Anne Frank: The Diary of a Young Girl Ya we've got to start getting more serious about doing something about this human condition called genocide! That I know. My God doesn't say to be a peace keeper he's says to be a PEACEMAKER! Later! Will read it. I suggest also Romeo Dallair "shake hands with the Devil" If you haven't read it or heard of it yet. UN Security Council decided to ignore. Africa is still seen as of little value and too risky. I've read interviews with Dallaire. He himself suffered severe post-traumatic stress disorder after what he saw. Thank you for visiting.
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7/23/2008 4:14 am |
Oh, Mariya, I am so sorry to hear that. I still think Milosevic got off lightly. The bastard. I in no way defend or apologise for Milosevic, but Tudjman was never demonised to the same extent. Croatia is a traditional ally of Germany, and Serbia a traditional ally of Russia. Tudjman and Milosevic agreed to carve up Bosnia between them, then they attacked one another. Later, when Croatia was attacking the Krajina and driving out the last of the ethnic Serbs, NATO just happened to be bombing Serbia. The ICJ cleared the Serbian state of genocide in February 2007, but said Milosevic could have done more to prevent it. The same could be said for any number of politicians in any number of countries.
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7/23/2008 4:16 am |
Art isn't always pretty. Such is life.
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7/23/2008 4:39 am |
I'm sorry to admit I had to look up who this Radovan Karadzic is. My goodness, I almost wish I hadn't. To say he's not nice in an understatement of epic proportions. But I did find this: The most recent came this spring, when soldiers stormed Karadzic's family home in Pale, southeast of Sarajevo. At the time his wife Ljiljana said the troops even searched the sewage tank in their efforts to uncover the fugitive. From what I've read since your post, I sorta wish they HAD found him in that sewage tank. Would have been a bit of poetic justice. The list goes on.
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7/23/2008 4:48 am |
At the end of this I want to know who has been protecting him for so long. No, not the people he was actually with, the people behind it all. "Greater Serbia". Pah! It would make me ashamed to be Serbian if he turns on the self-pity. I presume we are in for a long and terribly well carried out trial, with fudged outcomes and no conclusion. See first line again...... Peter Karadzic won't turn on the self pity. He'll talk about the Serb mission to defend orthodoxy, the Field of the Blackbirds, the Ottomans, Kosovo and Islamic fundamentalism. He'll talk about the right to self determination and Croat crimes against Croat Serbs. He'll talk about the West's betrayal of the Chetniks and Christendom and the NATO bombing of Serbia. He'll talk about blood and soil.
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7/23/2008 4:57 am |
Thanks for the tip GB...i will definately read this book.Mike was in Bosnia in the war and my daughters babysitter was an older Croatian..this will make interesting reading...its for people like this i hope there is a hell..take care...Lydia "The Fall of Yugoslavia: The 3rd Balkan War" is one of the best accounts. Hukanovic's book focuses on his experiences in the Omarska camp. Reading it, you realise that there already is a hell.
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7/23/2008 4:59 am |
He is so evil. How can he do that to humans and not being killed with his conscience?
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7/23/2008 5:00 am |
Sadly though, he could not have done these deeds alone. Where are his sheep...and what to do with them? Will put the book on my "to read" list, and will only do so in summer. Sounds like the type of book one would want loads of daylight for. Keep the light on.
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7/23/2008 5:04 am |
What I find most disturbing is that according to a news report (CBC,Canada), the Serbian govt has known for the past 13 years exactly where he was. Now that Serbia wants to join the EU, he is arrested. Ironic?
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7/23/2008 5:27 am |
If you're interested in the background to it all, then Misha Glenny's "The Fall of Yugoslavia: The 3rd Balkan War" is one of the best accounts. Hukanovic's book focuses on his experiences in the Omarska camp. Reading it, you realise that there already is a hell. Remember..live each day as it comes..it may be your last!!!xx " NAMASTE"
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7/23/2008 6:08 am |
Justice has long arms. Can't understand why he could still remain so calm at that medical seminar with that strange hairstyle. Agnes
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7/23/2008 7:04 am |
Thanks again..i guess AMAZ#ON will love you for this.Im not a flowery type of person and this type of reading is up my street....Lydia the space so I had to shift a few boxloads. Gave them to the local library.
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7/23/2008 7:06 am |
Justice has long arms. Can't understand why he could still remain so calm at that medical seminar with that strange hairstyle.
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7/23/2008 7:15 am |
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7/23/2008 7:48 am |
I received his collection of poems entitled, The Black Fairy Tale, in 2005 in Russian print from a childhood friend named Ilyna. I committed, Radovan, words to memory, then used his published works as a fire starter, and then sent flowers to Ilyna's parents memorial stone. I find it disgusting that, a man who is along the same vain as Stalin, was allowed to publish anything expect, his last words to the families of his victims. I don't play it safe. If I wanted to stay safe.. I would have stayed in my mother's womb.
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7/23/2008 8:12 am |
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7/23/2008 10:21 am |
I received his collection of poems entitled, The Black Fairy Tale, in 2005 in Russian print from a childhood friend named Ilyna. I committed, Radovan, words to memory, then used his published works as a fire starter, and then sent flowers to Ilyna's parents memorial stone. I find it disgusting that, a man who is along the same vain as Stalin, was allowed to publish anything expect, his last words to the families of his victims. I can't think of his last words without thinking of all the words he has caused to be extinguished.
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7/23/2008 1:30 pm |
My father was treated as an enemy by the communist dictatorship because he was an upholder of democracy. After he survived the camp, he was not allowed to practice his profession for 10 years although he was a diplomaed jurist. He had to work as a porter at the city harbour to support his family. As his wife , my mother was denied work everywhere she asked for... I heard on the latest news tonight that Radovan Karadzic used to sit in a cafe in Belgrad, disguised in a long white beard, under his own portrait, all these years. Isn't it cynicism ?... Many Serbians still treat him as their hero and leader... SL  Keep love in your heart ! SL
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7/23/2008 3:31 pm |
The massacres in Rwanda and Burundi were avoidable catastrophes that the UN Security Council decided to ignore. Africa is still seen as of little value and too risky. I've read interviews with Dallaire. He himself suffered severe post-traumatic stress disorder after what he saw. Thank you for visiting. Canadian were appalled and disappointed with the UN and our own Gov. over it. I personaly believe major powers are behind the influences that ignore those massacres you mentioned among others. I believe they do this because those countries and regions don't have much OIL or DIAMONDS or some other important resource that they just don't register on the major or even some middle powers' radar. At best humanitarian aid workers are able to hire a some under funded partisan mercinaries to help protect them when the try to go into those area's and help. I've been very concern about the Darfur and Islamic militancy that has been ignored by Major powers and the USA for far too long. Canada has not been ignoring it but, it seems were one of the few. I've written letters to my Gov. criticizing them but, I've found my criticism have been misplaced. Our Gov. was getting a lack of support from the UN Security Council on the North African issues but, I did write a letter to Romeo Dellair... a very critical one and know many others have felt that guys like Romeo Dellair and people like us who are concerned can make a difference. I researched the subject before I gave opinions and found that even before I wrote my letter Canada has been seending some military aid to African Union troops as part of their intitiative to aid the Americans in the fight against terrorism. Terrorism is what is really going on there. Those people are being terroriszed. many are Christain regions that are being invaded by pro-Islamic militants out of Somalia & Rawanda and now Kenya and Uganda too. Eastrn Jihad has been making it's move and Canada has been their but, wher are the Americans... still playing GI JOE in Irag and Afgahnistan. the surge is more important. I specifically told Dellair that I felt we could afford to back up African Union troops with a few f-18 squadrons and some of our own specialists and not just APC's & rifles. SO, the did and I guess i wasn't the only one that felt this way. Writing letters to the Government is not a waste of time. Romeo Dellair is a Senator in our Parliament now. I just wrote to the right person and saw results in my favor. more concerned People should write to their Government on this and offer their advice. Slowly but surely, the alliances' attention is starting to turn towards Darfur and Zimbabwe and the UN has been stepping it up some in aid. Romeo is doing what he can to influence the UN this way. Unfortunately AIDS and humanitarian relief seems to be their only goal. Yet, often this aid ends up in militant hands. That's gotta stop and the UN has to start being more accountable with the security issue or the alliance should take over the deployment & security of aid that is being wasted coming from the west and ending up in Islamic Jihad or guerrilla fighters' hands. I just wonder if it may be to little to late! What do you think? Free Speech is for everyone or no one! My Testimony My index
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7/24/2008 3:36 am |
My father was treated as an enemy by the communist dictatorship because he was an upholder of democracy. After he survived the camp, he was not allowed to practice his profession for 10 years although he was a diplomaed jurist. He had to work as a porter at the city harbour to support his family. As his wife , my mother was denied work everywhere she asked for... I heard on the latest news tonight that Radovan Karadzic used to sit in a cafe in Belgrad, disguised in a long white beard, under his own portrait, all these years. Isn't it cynicism ?... Many Serbians still treat him as their hero and leader... SL tribute to him, and to your mother, that they not only survived, but raised a fine daughter, too. Karadzic knew he was under a certain official protection, until the wind changed and he became dispensable. Supranationalism is now more important than nationalism, even in Serbia.
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7/24/2008 3:54 am |
GB you are really good at this!!!! I mean blogging out of curiosity...does anyone here know what is GB called in real life?  Thank you for the music, the songs Im singing  Thanks for all the joy theyre bringing Who can live without it, I ask in all honesty  What would life be?  
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7/24/2008 4:02 am |
Yes you are right about all that. I' m Canadian and most Canadian were appalled and disappointed with the UN and our own Gov. over it. I personaly believe major powers are behind the influences that ignore those massacres you mentioned among others. I believe they do this because those countries and regions don't have much OIL or DIAMONDS or some other important resource that they just don't register on the major or even some middle powers' radar. At best humanitarian aid workers are able to hire a some under funded partisan mercinaries to help protect them when the try to go into those area's and help. I've been very concern about the Darfur and Islamic militancy that has been ignored by Major powers and the USA for far too long. Canada has not been ignoring it but, it seems were one of the few. I've written letters to my Gov. criticizing them but, I've found my criticism have been misplaced. Our Gov. was getting a lack of support from the UN Security Council on the North African issues but, I did write a letter to Romeo Dellair... a very critical one and know many others have felt that guys like Romeo Dellair and people like us who are concerned can make a difference. I researched the subject before I gave opinions and found that even before I wrote my letter Canada has been seending some military aid to African Union troops as part of their intitiative to aid the Americans in the fight against terrorism. Terrorism is what is really going on there. Those people are being terroriszed. many are Christain regions that are being invaded by pro-Islamic militants out of Somalia & Rawanda and now Kenya and Uganda too. Eastrn Jihad has been making it's move and Canada has been their but, wher are the Americans... still playing GI JOE in Irag and Afgahnistan. the surge is more important. I specifically told Dellair that I felt we could afford to back up African Union troops with a few f-18 squadrons and some of our own specialists and not just APC's & rifles. SO, the did and I guess i wasn't the only one that felt this way. Writing letters to the Government is not a waste of time. Romeo Dellair is a Senator in our Parliament now. I just wrote to the right person and saw results in my favor. more concerned People should write to their Government on this and offer their advice. Slowly but surely, the alliances' attention is starting to turn towards Darfur and Zimbabwe and the UN has been stepping it up some in aid. Romeo is doing what he can to influence the UN this way. Unfortunately AIDS and humanitarian relief seems to be their only goal. Yet, often this aid ends up in militant hands. That's gotta stop and the UN has to start being more accountable with the security issue or the alliance should take over the deployment & security of aid that is being wasted coming from the west and ending up in Islamic Jihad or guerrilla fighters' hands. I just wonder if it may be to little to late! What do you think? In the Darfur region there is intense pressure on land and water resources. The Sudanese government is backing the Arabic Jinjaweed nomads who are moving into areas traditionally inhabited by non-Arabic groups. Even this is a gross generalisation on my part. The ethnic and tribal composition of Sudan is too complex to boil the whole conflict down to Islam versus Christianity. I have no idea what you mean by "Eastern Jihad". As far as I can tell it's a catch-all term applied to any Islamic group involved in any conflict by people who want to foment a "Western Crusade". You don't solve a conflict over water and land by sending weapons. You do it through economic development.
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7/24/2008 4:09 am |
GB you are really good at this!!!! I mean blogging out of curiosity...does anyone here know what is GB called in real life? In real life I'm called all sorts of things 
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7/24/2008 6:13 am |
A bizarre gift. I can't think of his last words without thinking of all the words he has caused to be extinguished. I don't play it safe. If I wanted to stay safe.. I would have stayed in my mother's womb.
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7/24/2008 6:43 am |
Not at all. Not when you consider a young man trying to understand the loss of his parents. The book was sent from Kazan, I would say, a reasonable distance from Sizje, wouldn't you?
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7/24/2008 1:13 pm |
...PEOPLE! A Woman's from the BACK !
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7/24/2008 3:37 pm |
The current situation in Darfur has its roots in economic, ethnic and tribal divisions, rather than religion. The Sudanese civil war which ended in 2005 was caused by attempts by the Sudanese government, based in the north, to islamicise the entire state, including the non-islamic south. Darfur is not the same. In the Darfur region there is intense pressure on land and water resources. The Sudanese government is backing the Arabic Jinjaweed nomads who are moving into areas traditionally inhabited by non-Arabic groups. Even this is a gross generalisation on my part. The ethnic and tribal composition of Sudan is too complex to boil the whole conflict down to Islam versus Christianity. I have no idea what you mean by "Eastern Jihad". As far as I can tell it's a catch-all term applied to any Islamic group involved in any conflict by people who want to foment a "Western Crusade". You don't solve a conflict over water and land by sending weapons. You do it through economic development. agreed on the method. If we keep sending aid that is not properly protected than we are only fueling both greed and religion based hate and warmongering and we are then indirectly guilty of it ourselves. To not send troops and weapons to those providing security for Humanitarian relief & Aid would be irresponsible and like send LAMBS LED TO SLAUGHTER. Sending too much Arms & Armour would also be irresponsible because it could end up in enemy hands. We still have to step up our security operation in North Africa for sure and find a strategy that is least likely to see our arms & Aid end up into enemy or potential enemy's hands. In my perspective I'm aware it's more complex than this but, it just seems that all these conflicts result in the spread of Islam even in the wars that don't have Jihad as their main cause or support. As you pointed out the janjaweed tribe are Islamic and therefor, likely Islamic in religious orientation and likely to warmonger in the name of Allah or as Allah's favor to be their main motivation by teaching in fundamentalists camps of those who lack literacy & are impressionable. PS: yes Islamic extremist brain washing camps is going on in many Arabic and non-Arabic third world countries even now and it is one of the MAIN causes of wars in the Middle East & North Africa for sure. We are hard pressed today in the west to ignore this strategy of war and water it down with our own usual western politics & Apathy and then not protect our humanitarian efforts against them. Free Speech is for everyone or no one! My Testimony My index
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7/24/2008 9:25 pm |
Gower My dreams are too vivid, and horror hits me too deeply to be able to read a true account of such horrorific porpotions. I can't understand why the members of the human race the leaders and the followers, glorify in the actions of demons.  Even if I doubt in heaven, I know surely there must be a hell where these people are conceived. Sens between the stars, beyond the planet mars, there Sens will be
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7/25/2008 8:32 am |
...PEOPLE!
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7/25/2008 8:52 am |
Agreed on the causes of these war not entirely agreed on the method. If we keep sending aid that is not properly protected than we are only fueling both greed and religion based hate and warmongering and we are then indirectly guilty of it ourselves. To not send troops and weapons to those providing security for Humanitarian relief & Aid would be irresponsible and like send LAMBS LED TO SLAUGHTER. Sending too much Arms & Armour would also be irresponsible because it could end up in enemy hands. We still have to step up our security operation in North Africa for sure and find a strategy that is least likely to see our arms & Aid end up into enemy or potential enemy's hands. In my perspective I'm aware it's more complex than this but, it just seems that all these conflicts result in the spread of Islam even in the wars that don't have Jihad as their main cause or support. As you pointed out the janjaweed tribe are Islamic and therefor, likely Islamic in religious orientation and likely to warmonger in the name of Allah or as Allah's favor to be their main motivation by teaching in fundamentalists camps of those who lack literacy & are impressionable. PS: yes Islamic extremist brain washing camps is going on in many Arabic and non-Arabic third world countries even now and it is one of the MAIN causes of wars in the Middle East & North Africa for sure. We are hard pressed today in the west to ignore this strategy of war and water it down with our own usual western politics & Apathy and then not protect our humanitarian efforts against them. The United States established the School for the Americas and turned out some of the most vicious Christian thugs ever unleashed on Latin America, long before Islamic insurgents began copying their methods (learned, of course, in CIA financed camps in Pakistan during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan). One of the main causes of war in the Middle East and North Africa is the west's constant attempts to subjugate and belittle cultures who have done nothing to deserve it, other than sit on reserves of oil. If by the "spread of Islam" you mean a "threat to Christianity" then you are just as guilty as they are of fomenting religious intolerance and conflict.
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7/25/2008 8:55 am |
Gower My dreams are too vivid, and horror hits me too deeply to be able to read a true account of such horrorific porpotions. I can't understand why the members of the human race the leaders and the followers, glorify in the actions of demons. Even if I doubt in heaven, I know surely there must be a hell where these people are conceived. Sens Really. It's too much.
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7/25/2008 10:22 am |
From my part of world at that time things looked so differently. When they were in the middle of war i had to follow every night often LIVE how the war goes. Later on we got movies about atricities happened there. Then start to be blury for me.. There were to many in and the causes they fighted for had no logic. And i could not take time to clear it up for myself as i was in the middle of my universitariar exams. He was poet you say... You know wife of Causescu was also academician and doctor in chemical field and she was "doctor honoris causa" ... imagine.. she.. who had only 4 elementary clases...and Causescu himself wanted to candidate at Nobel price for peace... this rise a question.. who are the people behind Radovan's poems? Who are the people who were behind Elena's amazing research? I doubt that beautiful words can come from such minds.. And some serbians sees him as hero?... Some does indeed, he served their cause ...strange why UN figure out that late that he is responsable for crimes?
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7/26/2008 4:21 am |
When you read the book, you will see who the sheep are. Keep the light on. Keeping my fingers crossed, as self-inflicted punishment through the mind until one dies is (in my view) one of the worst. PT
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7/26/2008 12:12 pm |
That puts it in a different light. Sizje lies just outside Republika Srpska and is mainly Bosniak. I can find little more information about it. Does this mean that his parents were Bosnian Serbs? I don't play it safe. If I wanted to stay safe.. I would have stayed in my mother's womb.
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7/28/2008 3:36 am |
From my part of world at that time things looked so differently. When they were in the middle of war i had to follow every night often LIVE how the war goes. Later on we got movies about atricities happened there. Then start to be blury for me.. There were to many in and the causes they fighted for had no logic. And i could not take time to clear it up for myself as i was in the middle of my universitariar exams. He was poet you say... You know wife of Causescu was also academician and doctor in chemical field and she was "doctor honoris causa" ... imagine.. she.. who had only 4 elementary clases...and Causescu himself wanted to candidate at Nobel price for peace... this rise a question.. who are the people behind Radovan's poems? Who are the people who were behind Elena's amazing research? I doubt that beautiful words can come from such minds.. And some serbians sees him as hero?... Some does indeed, he served their cause ...strange why UN figure out that late that he is responsable for crimes? The UN knew he was responsible, but he has been protected by Serbian security agencies. He was just another card to be used in the poker game of EU accession negotiations, and now they've played him.
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7/28/2008 3:38 am |
I also thought of those who carried out the orders, probably often taking it upon themselves apply torture in a way that was their own. Yes, they deserve to be arrested and tried as well. However, life might have its own little way of balancing things out. They performed such acts under the influence of groups. Once out of the group, some of these monsters live with the most unbelievable guilt, filled with daily nightmares. Keeping my fingers crossed, as self-inflicted punishment through the mind until one dies is (in my view) one of the worst. PT
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7/28/2008 3:57 am |
You do know your history of the region. Yes, he is Nasrudin hodža decent, and we know what happened to his parents. But I do, Thank you, for your offer. He's doing well in Kazan. He's presently enrolled in the University, but of course distancing yourself has it's down falls. As Nasrudin himself might have said (but probably more wittily).
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8/4/2008 4:15 pm |
I watched Karadzic live at his trial on the news channels last week. He looks older and thinner. He always looks like a mild friendly man! But I know what his forces did. Stange life isn't it? HM
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8/30/2008 8:53 am |
I watched Karadzic live at his trial on the news channels last week. He looks older and thinner. He always looks like a mild friendly man! But I know what his forces did. Stange life isn't it? HM It is, indeed, a strange life.
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