4/18/2008 11:13 pm
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In Chinese fourm I've read such option: France president is not friendly to China and support mob in XiZang and DaLai, but he can not represent all the France people, and most France people are friends of China.
I feel very puzzled.
In free world the leaders are voted by people, and only when he represent most the people, most people will vote him to be president. That's right?
So why France president would not represent the most France people now?
Now Chinese refuse to buy anything from France. Of course it's our right. It's said that Chinese government will reconsider the contract about Airbus. As a small customer, we have right to make choice to buy or not to buy anything with our own money.
For example, PEUGEOT is a France car brand. One of my classmate planed to buy it. But now he changes his mind, for he is worried about that his money will be used to support DaLai.
Many West care about Chinese human rights. So, how ever, this is a good news for the West. Buying something following our choice is one of human rights.
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547 posts 4/19/2008 12:45 am |
Hmmm diplomatically... Its rather like something we say in England when someone does not see a situation going their way, they "take their ball home".
It means: "Do it my way or else I'll spoil the game for everyone".
This refers to a game of Football. The ball belongs to one person who shares it if they get to play in the lead. If they are not allowed to play in the lead, they take thier ball home, so nobody can play.
Not buying French cars is a child's response to an adult situation.
True, people have a right to spend their money where they want. But if WE in the WEST did that because of China's treatment of Tibet, then you in China would be left with a lot of Toasters, Televisions, and a thousand other types of items, and a few hundred useless (new) Electricity power plants. An no income to support it all.
Welcome to the World, China. Nice to see you. You have been missing for too many decades.
But please think about it a bit more deeply and I hope you can see it a different way. It's a new freedom you have, to think about what the Americans call "the bigger picture".
People have the right to hold a different opinion on one thing while agreeing on some other issue. I'm sure France agrees with China on a lot of other things.
I'm upset about the treatment of Tibet by China. But I can still like China on other levels at the same time.
This will pass and move into history. People want to make their point first.
As for France, the French people elected their President, but he cannot hold the same opinions as everyone in the whole country at all times for the next five years. Cloning has not spread that far yet 
Respectfully.
Peter, England, UK
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39 posts 4/19/2008 2:01 am |
Not buying a France Car is a small thing.But it can show our option by a peaceful way.
We are still very angry.
Well, do you feel upset about the treatment of Londan by England? If I told you I just feel very upset about it, but I agree with much more of England, is it crazy?
XiZang has been a part of China for 800 years. Do you understand how long it is?
Well, England got the land of north Ireland from 1801, just about 200 years. I know some people do think north Ireland would be a part of England. Do you think it's much reasonable than DaLai?
I know you are interesting about what happend in XiZang in 1959. Just the government decide to free the serfs in XiZang.
DaLai is a serf-master himself at all, so he run out of China.But before 1959, he was a friend and supportor of the communist party of China.
Well, I know few about the history of north Ireland and England, so I can not judge whether it is should to split from England. How about you?
I am interesting in Chinese history and the world history.I believe that history are always similar.When we know what have happend yesterday, we can forcast what will happen tomorrow.
A car is only a car. But it's a peaceful way to tell France our feeling. It's a much better way than war. But if the West people still believe in the lies about XiZang, and decide to do something dangous for China, of course Chinese would not allow 1/4 land splited out and had no choice but to fight back.
Just like what have happened about Iraq: lies came ,and war is not far.
This is what I am worried about realy.
Another question: do you know how many people are killed or hurt by DaLai's support in LaSa at 3.14 event? They killed a baby only 8-month-old, Chinese government have no right to arrest them?
Many Chinese people use QQ to chat on Internet. You can get it from GOOGLE. Then you search the people who living in XiZang, and talk with them yourself. I hope more and more people talk with Zang people directly, but only get information from BBC or CNN.
If you are realy care about Zang people , just talk with them directly.
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547 posts 4/19/2008 2:57 am |
Hi Thanks and I'm interested to hear more.
I particularly agree with what you say:
"I am interesting in Chinese history and the world history.I believe that history are always similar.When we know what have happend yesterday, we can forcast what will happen tomorrow."
Intelligence is the use of past mistakes to not make the same mistake again, and do better next time. As a species, we fail to do that in terms of these things. Why?
The point you might be missing about Northern Ireland is the numbers involved in the split of people there. South of Ireland (Eire) is independent country. North of Ireland is not, because the population there are MAJORITY who want to remain loyal to the Queen. I think it would have been best at the time of split from England to put the whole country together. But that's not how the people who lived there wanted it to be.
There is a Dilema in a free society: do you impose a solution against the will of the population, for their own good? (as you see it). If you do, you just plant seed for the next rebellion.
Yes I know history is littered with evidence of how the UK got that wrong. * The USA when we owned part of it. * Iraq. * India. * Wales. * Cornwall. * Bournemouth and Poole.
You won't realise, but that was a list down from country, to region, and then to neigbouring towns. We can't even get towns to agree about divisions and borders. So its not surprising that countries cannot agree totally.
But we have to keep talking.
Peter
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1739 posts 4/19/2008 3:01 am |
Why don't you go spew your hate and venom somewhere else? This is FriendFinders, A place where most people can come and have fun. That certainly does not seem to be your motive. I'm sure you can find a better political forum than here. Why don't you get to work on solving the huge pollution problem in Beijing, so that the athletes can breathe during the olympics? Or maybe the polluted water problem, so that everyone who comes to the Olympics does not have to bring their own water? See what you can do about all the lead in the paint that has been on toys we Americans have bought and let our children play with and put in their mouth and get lead poisoning?
It seems the only things in America not made in China are a Americans...Thank God
Don't you have ChinaFriendFinders in China??? if not, you should have so the Chinese people can speak freely in their own country
Take your soap box and your twisted opinions and go join HateFinders, as you would make a good member for them. And, GET OVER YOURSELF !!!!
Every survival kit should include sense of humor
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39 posts 4/19/2008 5:18 am |
goodtogo7 : What can I find from your eyes? Only fear, the fear for truth.
Actually I seldom visit the site before 3.14, I am not good at English and it is difficult to type those words out.
But after that, I find there are many lies about China in your free world and so many mistakes to Chinese. It's dangours for both us. So I come here and tell West the truth happend in China, for I live here and I know more about China than you. It's much different from the West media you believe.
Of course, if France stop to support mob to kill and hurt Chinese, we can be friends. But it is crazy if you think that we should make friends with you , at the same time you just support mob to hurt us.
Well, only one month ago, mang Chinese regard France as best firends in the West. But a friend should do it in Paris.
You can close the window, just like you never open this page, and still live in the world your media make for you. But the realy world are different.
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Well, can you give me an answer why you buy something made in China as well as you just hat it? My classmate refuse to buy a France car when he think France have hurt his feeling. You can refuse everything from China. That's ok for you? Of course it's your human right.
Let's talk about pollution in Beijing. Maybe some American are much special human, for there living millions Chinese people and foreigh friends there. Yes, most foreight friends in China live in BeiJing. But you think you can not bear it.
Give you a way: do not come to BeiJing. You have right to decide come here or not. The sports game will go on even if you do not come,and it will be a wonderful game for the world people.
Whether the leader of countries attend the Olympic Games opening ceremony, is issues the invitation by their own Olympic committee. It's none of Chinese business. Maybe you are a famous and important lady in American, so you can tell the American Olympic committee you refuse going the hell. That's ok?
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Tell you another truth. We lend much money to your government. So we should be friends. If your government refuse to give back our money, realy it's a big trouble for Chinese.
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39 posts 4/19/2008 5:57 am |
time2refresh : XiZang and other part of China, has different relationshop like colony and suzerain. XiZang are the same as all other parts in China.
For example, Chinese leaders are from different part of China, including XiZang. But I know England queen never be a woman from India.
There are 56 races in China. The most is Han people, about 93%. So it's reasonable that the biggist leader of China is a Han people.But other 55 races have some privilege. For example, they have more than one child, but I can have only one by Chinese law. I love children realy. One is not enough for me 
And in the the national unifies university entrance examination, they will plus some score only for they are not Han people! So they have more chance to entry college. And so on, many privilege for them.
My classmate is a Han people, and his wife is a Zang people. He record his son baby as a Zang people. It's very reasonable and wize.
Can you understand how difficult to build a railway to LaSa on the 4000 miles highland? But more travels to there can bring more money and job chance for Zang people.
Well, we do not think we do much to help Zang people, we just develope the west of China, the high land of China, and help our own people living there, including every race people.
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If England have the same tax for North American colony and England itself, US would not appear in humun history.
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